They were basically the medieval version of cops. We’re still trying to figure out how to give people the power to protect others without giving them the power to abuse others to this very day.
The trouble is that there seems to be a very blurry line between the two on both an institutional and internal psychological level. To quote Twitter user @meganamram (from before it for completely fucked as a website): “You can’t be nice to everyone because being nice to certain people is inherently cruel to others.” For every case that appears to be an obvious case of good versus evil there’s fifty more that are weird muddy bullshit where there’s no winner and the closest you’ll ever get to justice is deciding who should lose harder.
And unfortunately the loser usually just defaults to whoever doesn’t go to church with the cop, which was probably also true in medieval times.
This is a good answer, one of the best even, but I would argue it still lacks the necessary nuance.
As an example I’m more personally familiar with I think one of the things that would help human services be more… well. humane, is if more people were encouraged to get involved and actually witness the realities are of some of these people’s daily lives but also you have to pick at what point you protect people’s privacy.
I have several patients who will literally physically fight tooth and nail to be left in their own bodily fluids long enough to cause chemical burns and I really wish more people understood what both the person and everyone in their immediate vicinity is going through, but also idk if it would be really fair to them to let just anybody watch them play in their own poo. But it can also be violent (I’ve been straight up swung on) and someone should be out there making sure people are reacting to that as safely as possible.
Our hospital security actually do have bodycams now that they have to turn on during codes and it’s easy to say those should be auditable by anyone except a few months ago we had a pt yank their pants down during a code and run screaming at the officer. People shouldn’t just be able to look up the video of that person’s junk from when they were sick.
…and I’m sure in law enforcement powerful people would love to punish someone for speaking up by aggressively publicizing intricate details of their victimization. Or even to intentionally allowing someone to be victimized with the goal of publicizing some part of their life. In fact the purpose of HIPAA isn’t actually privacy, the true purpose is to make your own records available to you. The privacy thing is just an extension of it needed to keep the organization from retaliating by making the documents you request public.
There’s no one law that will ever fix anything. They’ll have to be continually updated as shitty people find workarounds. There’s never going to be a right answer that doesn’t involve a continuing supply of fucks given by people who have at least the barest sembalance of altruism. Unfortunately the fucks to give economy is not primarily motivated by altruism.
even with sunshine laws in place, review is generally limited much like foia requests
abuse is possible but you can’t pre legislate that entirely away
and for sure an educated involved populace is needed, unfortunately that is the nature of all politics/reform etc
to your first point i agree, well meaning noble savage stereotypes can be as damaging to resolving problems as spiteful biggotry
i have no medical experience but ive seen this first hand with serving the homeless population
leadership and rule makers should have to actually do the rounds of any job they are legislating but that’s hard work and little money when running for office to take bribes is so much more lucrative
how to give people the power to protect others without giving them the power to abuse
Police are by their nature a gang who are paid off for protection from other gangs. They likewise consist of people who sell their muscle and weapon skills, for the absence of other skills to sell.
We’re still trying to figure out how to give people the power to protect others without giving them the power to abuse others to this very day.
That gives me an idea. If we already have body cams, why not take it a step further and have them transmit in real time to a civilian oversight representative? Maybe give the rep the ability to lock down the gun remotely if it’s obvious there’s no real danger. No signal, no functioning gun. The idea was explored in Psycho-pass and it seems like a decent balance of power and restraint.
If a cop objects to the idea then you know it would likely go in the right direction.
They were basically the medieval version of cops. We’re still trying to figure out how to give people the power to protect others without giving them the power to abuse others to this very day.
The trouble is that there seems to be a very blurry line between the two on both an institutional and internal psychological level. To quote Twitter user @meganamram (from before it for completely fucked as a website): “You can’t be nice to everyone because being nice to certain people is inherently cruel to others.” For every case that appears to be an obvious case of good versus evil there’s fifty more that are weird muddy bullshit where there’s no winner and the closest you’ll ever get to justice is deciding who should lose harder.
And unfortunately the loser usually just defaults to whoever doesn’t go to church with the cop, which was probably also true in medieval times.
we’re really not, the answer is sunshine laws
problem is helping non-rich people has never been the point
This is a good answer, one of the best even, but I would argue it still lacks the necessary nuance.
As an example I’m more personally familiar with I think one of the things that would help human services be more… well. humane, is if more people were encouraged to get involved and actually witness the realities are of some of these people’s daily lives but also you have to pick at what point you protect people’s privacy.
I have several patients who will literally physically fight tooth and nail to be left in their own bodily fluids long enough to cause chemical burns and I really wish more people understood what both the person and everyone in their immediate vicinity is going through, but also idk if it would be really fair to them to let just anybody watch them play in their own poo. But it can also be violent (I’ve been straight up swung on) and someone should be out there making sure people are reacting to that as safely as possible.
Our hospital security actually do have bodycams now that they have to turn on during codes and it’s easy to say those should be auditable by anyone except a few months ago we had a pt yank their pants down during a code and run screaming at the officer. People shouldn’t just be able to look up the video of that person’s junk from when they were sick.
…and I’m sure in law enforcement powerful people would love to punish someone for speaking up by aggressively publicizing intricate details of their victimization. Or even to intentionally allowing someone to be victimized with the goal of publicizing some part of their life. In fact the purpose of HIPAA isn’t actually privacy, the true purpose is to make your own records available to you. The privacy thing is just an extension of it needed to keep the organization from retaliating by making the documents you request public.
There’s no one law that will ever fix anything. They’ll have to be continually updated as shitty people find workarounds. There’s never going to be a right answer that doesn’t involve a continuing supply of fucks given by people who have at least the barest sembalance of altruism. Unfortunately the fucks to give economy is not primarily motivated by altruism.
even with sunshine laws in place, review is generally limited much like foia requests
abuse is possible but you can’t pre legislate that entirely away
and for sure an educated involved populace is needed, unfortunately that is the nature of all politics/reform etc
to your first point i agree, well meaning noble savage stereotypes can be as damaging to resolving problems as spiteful biggotry
i have no medical experience but ive seen this first hand with serving the homeless population
leadership and rule makers should have to actually do the rounds of any job they are legislating but that’s hard work and little money when running for office to take bribes is so much more lucrative
Police are by their nature a gang who are paid off for protection from other gangs. They likewise consist of people who sell their muscle and weapon skills, for the absence of other skills to sell.
That gives me an idea. If we already have body cams, why not take it a step further and have them transmit in real time to a civilian oversight representative? Maybe give the rep the ability to lock down the gun remotely if it’s obvious there’s no real danger. No signal, no functioning gun. The idea was explored in Psycho-pass and it seems like a decent balance of power and restraint.
If a cop objects to the idea then you know it would likely go in the right direction.
If memory serves, the whole psycho-pass system was. Uh. Flawed.
Gun should be locked down by default unless the observers ok it.
I think this happened in The Watchmen series
That’s what I said.