The DNC and Democratic Leadership must go, this party is dead.

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        It’s like you can’t read context. I literally praised him for starting many people on the path to leftist politics. I never called him a right winger directly. I was using it as a point of reference for how far left a lot of the country has moved since. I said it in the context of people like myself that have moved left of Bernie. That they would consider him to be to the right now. Especially on the issue of Israel.

        But, apparently the only thing you can read is a .ml.

        Or I could say “typical liberal. Can’t do anything without an identity box to put someone in.”

        “I have called you Tankie. Checkmate. I don’t have to think about anything you said.”

        That’s what you sound like.

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          You:

          I never called him a right winger directly.

          Also you:

          Many of us seeing him as a right winger at this point.

          Oh, but it’s about my shortcoming because I can’t read context?

          Yeah, I’m sure the problem is because I don’t think about anything you said…

          I’m not even a liberal, by the way. Believe it or not, socialists can hate tankies too.

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            So, you are capable of understanding context right? Like, you can quote something out of context and it have significantly different meaning. Which is what you’re doing.

            Do you understand that sentences don’t stand on their own at all times? Or do you think that that sentence you quoted is the equivalent of saying Bernie and Trump are the same?

            As “a socialist” you should know that anyone that is in favor of maintaining a capitalist class structure (as Bernie is) would be “considered a right winger”.

            Or do you just label yourself as “socialist” while not understanding it? Nothing I’ve said has been “Tankie” if you mean that by “authoritarian left” or whatever. That word has lost all meaning to the point people like you use it to insult anyone “to the left” of you when you have nothing else to say.

            Bernie is in favor of maintaining a “nicer” capitalist state and is hence “on the right” from a socialist (like yourself).

            It’s not that complicated to understand. But I don’t think you even understand your own political label if you couldn’t understand why I would “consider Bernie a right winger”.

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              You can’t just contradict yourself and then claim I’m not understanding the context.

              Just because someone is to the right of you doesn’t mean they’re a right-winger. You’re doing exactly the thing you’re accusing me of doing.

              I know that not everyone to the left of me is a tankie. Unlike you, I’m capable of recognizing that leftism is an entire spectrum.

              A tankie is an auth-comm, sure, and maybe you didn’t say anything that was explicitly auth-comm. But you’re insinuating that Bernie Sanders, a leftist, is a right-winger just because he’s not as far left as you are. That’s something that really only a tankie would do.

              Fuck, sometimes lemmy is as bad as reddit…

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      Yes. On paper. Do you have any meaningful difference to define him any differently than someone like AoC or Illhan Omar? Besides just the label he has on his name on CSPAN?

      Not sure why what you said has anything to do with what I said.

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        Believe it or not, political parties are not ordinarily supposed to refuse all negotiations with any other party, vote no on any measures they introduce, and call them all demons to their supporters. The independent/Democrat relation is just a rare American instance of that.