MyBrainHurts

Lol, okay, now read the other parts there:

29% - Ending Israel’s violence in Gaza 24% - The economy 12% - Medicare and Social Security 11% - Immigration and border security 10% - Healthcare 9% - Abortion policy 5% - Don’t know

In other words, the overwhelming majority of the voters who changed their vote from Biden to someone else were not voting because of Gaza.

An astute reader might note that this lines up pretty closely with what I said way back at the beginning…

Harris lost running on massive inflation, in the same wave that saw almost every incumbent government thrown out by historic margins and still came within only a couple of points of trump.

I’ll also just leave this here for you.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/09/09/issues-and-the-2024-election/

Which of your sources has this 29% figure? I read and double checked the rolling stone one albeit on archive.ie so maybe a graphic’s not coming through?

Or you meant to send a different source?

Hombre, remember this was your original position:

axois’ reporting on the dnc’s attempt to suppress the last election’s post mortem investigation and the yougov polls of pro-biden/anti-harris voters have shown us that harris lost 10 million votes because of gaza.

If you actually look through the Cook political report, the big issue was men of colour moving to the Right. And if you read the sentences right above the young voters bit in the Rolling Stone article, you’ll notice their concerns are not about the perceived silence on Gaza but instead the perception “that Dems cared more about immigrants, trans people and waging war in Ukraine and Gaza than domestic priorities or their daily economic realities.” You could sort of maybe disingenuously twist that into Gaza but really, that’s clearly about the money being spent for military support instead of economic issues at home.

Again, all of this is far cry from your claim that Gaza cost ten million votes.

need I remind that those are short term pains compared to enabling fascism to take over later down the line?

These actions don’t make fascism less likely though.

Fascism thrives on emergencies and suffering, taking away food and medical from millions would do this effectively.

Even worse, if the Democrats messed with the debt ceiling it would fundamentally cripple any future non fascist government’s ability to fix problems.

Good idea, look at South Korea and Brazil. They have been able to do things because the of popular legislation and/or the judiciary, not because a minority party obstructed normal legislation. That’s the exact opposite of what you are proposing. What those examples demonstrate is the importance of winning elections, not about causing havoc as the opposition party.

Buddy, unless I’m missing something it looks like you’re must be misreading these, linking to the wrong articles, hoping no one reads them or just making the wild assumption that everyone who didn’t vote Harris did so because of Gaza.

The Cook political report deep dive literally doesn’t mention Gaza or Israel.

Democrats have voted against almost every significant bill so far.

What would proposing bills do?

They’ve been doing the obstruction. You’ve forgotten Hakeem Jefferies’ record setting filibuster because it doesn’t make a lick of difference; “oh yay, the bill was stalled for two days! Mighty victory!”

The reality is that the Democrats are essentially powerless until the midterms and unfortunately, reality doesn’t change because you wish it were otherwise.

They hold none of the three branches.

They can whine and protest, which they’ve been doing. Literally what else do you expect besides them to hold the country hostage via the debt ceiling or shutdown? (And, I might point out the Dems are in fact threatening a shutdown unless changes are made to ICE.)

The only major thing Republicans have been able to do is win minor concessions by threatening to effectively nuke the country. Democrats are not willing to hold the country hostage in the same manner because there are incredible consequences if the bluff is called. (A prolonged government shutdown stops poor people from eating, sick people from getting medical treatment etc. A refusal to lift the debt ceiling would place America in crippling debt and throw the world into a major financial crisis.)

During Biden’s term, Republicans looked much stronger because the Supreme court had 6 Conservatives and the Democrats only had 50 seats in the Senate which included Manchin and Sinema. The Democrats have none of that leverage this time.

Homeslice, nothing in there says anything about millions of votes, let alone ten million.

The closest you get would be

"the DNC shared with us that their own data also found that policy was, in their words, a ‘net-negative’ in the 2024 election.

There were many net negative issues, like say, inflation and immigration which rated higher in most polling about voter issues etc.

as now everyone knows democrats won’t enforce the law against them, call them out on stuff, put forth a popular alternative.

What do you actually think the Democrats are able to do right now?

The primaries issue is the biggest tragedy to me. But, it also makes me chuckle when folks say the Dems answer is to just run a really progressive candidate and then masses of people will come vote for them. The same masses who somehow can never be bothered to make it to the primaries…

the yougov polls of pro-biden/anti-harris voters have shown us that harris lost 10 million votes because of gaza.

Imagine biting propaganda so hard that in the name of Palestiniansyou actively made things even worse for them and hundreds of thousands if not millions across the world.

I’d love to see the source on this though because 10 million is a wild number. Harris had 6 million fewer votes than Biden, so somehow losing ten million votes on something that wasn’t the top election issue seems like an… Interesting claim.

??? Clinton, one of the most unpopular candidates in history, came within a couple hundred thousand votes.

Harris lost running on massive inflation, in the same wave that saw almost every incumbent government thrown out by historic margins and still came within only a couple of points of trump.

I’d also argue Harris was a bit doomed because of how hard we took the bait last time and screamed HITLER at every provocation. The independents and centrists who watched that and endured a bad but relatively normal presidency learned the lesson that the Left exaggerates and that their warnings are without merit. If we’d “kept our powder dry” maybe we could’ve convinced them the 6th was as bad as it was but, like my younger sister, we just screamed, took the bait and lost despite being right.

Call it the party who cried HITLER.

That’s literally the point. They are trying to goad the Left into screaming Hitler. When we do so, we generally sound hysterical to the centre and independents whom we need.

Donald wins when we’re sputtering with rage.

If you’ve ever been a dick to a younger sibling so they freak out and get in trouble despite technically being in the right, you’ll recognise the tactic.