"As we plunge headlong into another catastrophic war, Sen. Schumer and Rep. Jeffries’ throat-clearing and process critique only serves Trump and the war machine."
The DNC and Democratic Leadership must go, this party is dead.
I’m not a “third party voter” guy. But between ICE and now this - Bernie Sanders has a power he could use, is definitely aware of, and doesn’t.
If Bernie sanders announced that the Democratic party was a failed party he is the only progressive leader in this country that could actually form a third party that would literally replace the Democratic party overnight. At least in terms of current democratic voter approval ratings. His voice alone would build so much momentum.
I think he is too much of a liberal Zionist to leave the Democratic party. Or he’s just really not who he once was. It’s just a shame. He was an important figure to moving this country to the left and made a lot of young leftist into what we are today. Many of us seeing him as a right winger at this point.
The Democratic party is so unpopular. There is no better time to destroy it and replace it. I don’t think it is possible to work within it anymore. What are we voting for in November when half the Democrats will still support ICE and endless war?
Speaking of third-parties. Back in 2020 Howie Hawkins was running as the Green Party Nominee for President and during the Democrats campaigning he went on the record stating that if Bernie Sanders won the Democrat nomination, Hawkins would withdraw from the race. -I think most people here remember how those Democrat primaries went down. I just find it ironic that as much as Dem voters removed about wanting the Green Party to go away, the one time it was realistically possible the Dems conspired to ensure it didn’t happen.
Sadly we are still dealing with that today. The votes on my comment show that. Can’t even get anyone to actually discussed what I said.
We are still living with so many Democrat “progressives” that never learned what that word meant. It’s definitely a split between the people that wanted to vote for a Social Democrat offering no wars and free healthcare. Vs. more neoliberalism but with “the first female president”.
There are still a massive amount of people that never learned progress beyond identity politics capitalism.
It’s a reason the Democratic party needs to die. For every “vote blue no matter who” person we lose we’d get 10 alienated and non political people excited to vote for a candidate that will lower their rent and healthcare costs.
I don’t think a third party is possible. But I do think if Bernie and AoC were behind it that would be the best chance. Especially now. With BOTH parties somehow at historical low approvals at the same time.
All I meant in my original comment. That no one seemed to understand.
Bernie wouldn’t do this. It was more of a thought of what could be done at this point. Not saying it would ever happen.
When you make a comment like you did. It’s helpful to add a couple sentences to actually show you understand something. Otherwise you just sound like YOU don’t understand something.
Bernie is tired, man. He doesn’t want another presidential run. He would gladly pass off the torch if anyone was ready to take it from him.
The generation of DemSocs that he raised are doing good things, but they’re still young politically speaking. There’s still a lot of good they can do from their positions in congress and local offices while they establish themselves in their political careers and expand the influence of the DSA.
Give them time. Many of them don’t even meet the 35 y.o. age requirement to run for president yet. And even if they do, their track record isn’t long enough yet to be taken seriously by the mainstream.
Bernie established a movement, and it will take time to mature. Be patient. Nothing happens overnight, and if you’re expecting immediate perfection you will always be disappointed. Learn to settle for incremental change and gradual progress, otherwise you may end up doing damage that sets us even further back.
I think a lot of people misunderstood my post. You included. I never said he should run again. I said he should start a new party.
He could start a party with his backing and promote the next generation of democratic socialist. Sadly, he doesn’t and is going to die and leave a massive hole in the momentum and influence he has.
The only one close is AoC and I don’t think she is even close to having the momentum to actually disconnect from the Democratic party.
But if Bernie endorsed her for a presidential run until a newly formed party. So many Americans would jump on board that train.
It’s like you can’t read context. I literally praised him for starting many people on the path to leftist politics. I never called him a right winger directly. I was using it as a point of reference for how far left a lot of the country has moved since. I said it in the context of people like myself that have moved left of Bernie. That they would consider him to be to the right now. Especially on the issue of Israel.
But, apparently the only thing you can read is a .ml.
Or I could say “typical liberal. Can’t do anything without an identity box to put someone in.”
“I have called you Tankie. Checkmate. I don’t have to think about anything you said.”
So, you are capable of understanding context right? Like, you can quote something out of context and it have significantly different meaning. Which is what you’re doing.
Do you understand that sentences don’t stand on their own at all times? Or do you think that that sentence you quoted is the equivalent of saying Bernie and Trump are the same?
As “a socialist” you should know that anyone that is in favor of maintaining a capitalist class structure (as Bernie is) would be “considered a right winger”.
Or do you just label yourself as “socialist” while not understanding it? Nothing I’ve said has been “Tankie” if you mean that by “authoritarian left” or whatever. That word has lost all meaning to the point people like you use it to insult anyone “to the left” of you when you have nothing else to say.
Bernie is in favor of maintaining a “nicer” capitalist state and is hence “on the right” from a socialist (like yourself).
It’s not that complicated to understand. But I don’t think you even understand your own political label if you couldn’t understand why I would “consider Bernie a right winger”.
You can’t just contradict yourself and then claim I’m not understanding the context.
Just because someone is to the right of you doesn’t mean they’re a right-winger. You’re doing exactly the thing you’re accusing me of doing.
I know that not everyone to the left of me is a tankie. Unlike you, I’m capable of recognizing that leftism is an entire spectrum.
A tankie is an auth-comm, sure, and maybe you didn’t say anything that was explicitly auth-comm. But you’re insinuating that Bernie Sanders, a leftist, is a right-winger just because he’s not as far left as you are. That’s something that really only a tankie would do.
Yes. On paper. Do you have any meaningful difference to define him any differently than someone like AoC or Illhan Omar? Besides just the label he has on his name on CSPAN?
Not sure why what you said has anything to do with what I said.
Believe it or not, political parties are not ordinarily supposed to refuse all negotiations with any other party, vote no on any measures they introduce, and call them all demons to their supporters. The independent/Democrat relation is just a rare American instance of that.
I’m not a “third party voter” guy. But between ICE and now this - Bernie Sanders has a power he could use, is definitely aware of, and doesn’t.
If Bernie sanders announced that the Democratic party was a failed party he is the only progressive leader in this country that could actually form a third party that would literally replace the Democratic party overnight. At least in terms of current democratic voter approval ratings. His voice alone would build so much momentum.
I think he is too much of a liberal Zionist to leave the Democratic party. Or he’s just really not who he once was. It’s just a shame. He was an important figure to moving this country to the left and made a lot of young leftist into what we are today. Many of us seeing him as a right winger at this point.
The Democratic party is so unpopular. There is no better time to destroy it and replace it. I don’t think it is possible to work within it anymore. What are we voting for in November when half the Democrats will still support ICE and endless war?
Speaking of third-parties. Back in 2020 Howie Hawkins was running as the Green Party Nominee for President and during the Democrats campaigning he went on the record stating that if Bernie Sanders won the Democrat nomination, Hawkins would withdraw from the race. -I think most people here remember how those Democrat primaries went down. I just find it ironic that as much as Dem voters removed about wanting the Green Party to go away, the one time it was realistically possible the Dems conspired to ensure it didn’t happen.
Sadly we are still dealing with that today. The votes on my comment show that. Can’t even get anyone to actually discussed what I said.
We are still living with so many Democrat “progressives” that never learned what that word meant. It’s definitely a split between the people that wanted to vote for a Social Democrat offering no wars and free healthcare. Vs. more neoliberalism but with “the first female president”.
There are still a massive amount of people that never learned progress beyond identity politics capitalism.
It’s a reason the Democratic party needs to die. For every “vote blue no matter who” person we lose we’d get 10 alienated and non political people excited to vote for a candidate that will lower their rent and healthcare costs.
I don’t think a third party is possible. But I do think if Bernie and AoC were behind it that would be the best chance. Especially now. With BOTH parties somehow at historical low approvals at the same time.
All I meant in my original comment. That no one seemed to understand.
Thats a lot of words to tell us you dont follow american politics accurately.
Feel free tell me what you disagree with.
Bernie wouldn’t do this. It was more of a thought of what could be done at this point. Not saying it would ever happen.
When you make a comment like you did. It’s helpful to add a couple sentences to actually show you understand something. Otherwise you just sound like YOU don’t understand something.
Bernie is tired, man. He doesn’t want another presidential run. He would gladly pass off the torch if anyone was ready to take it from him.
The generation of DemSocs that he raised are doing good things, but they’re still young politically speaking. There’s still a lot of good they can do from their positions in congress and local offices while they establish themselves in their political careers and expand the influence of the DSA.
Give them time. Many of them don’t even meet the 35 y.o. age requirement to run for president yet. And even if they do, their track record isn’t long enough yet to be taken seriously by the mainstream.
Bernie established a movement, and it will take time to mature. Be patient. Nothing happens overnight, and if you’re expecting immediate perfection you will always be disappointed. Learn to settle for incremental change and gradual progress, otherwise you may end up doing damage that sets us even further back.
I think a lot of people misunderstood my post. You included. I never said he should run again. I said he should start a new party.
He could start a party with his backing and promote the next generation of democratic socialist. Sadly, he doesn’t and is going to die and leave a massive hole in the momentum and influence he has.
The only one close is AoC and I don’t think she is even close to having the momentum to actually disconnect from the Democratic party.
But if Bernie endorsed her for a presidential run until a newly formed party. So many Americans would jump on board that train.
Mighty fine deflection there partner, I don’t think anyone saw it.
…Bernie is independent
Typical .ml tankie calling Bernie a right-winger…
It’s like you can’t read context. I literally praised him for starting many people on the path to leftist politics. I never called him a right winger directly. I was using it as a point of reference for how far left a lot of the country has moved since. I said it in the context of people like myself that have moved left of Bernie. That they would consider him to be to the right now. Especially on the issue of Israel.
But, apparently the only thing you can read is a .ml.
Or I could say “typical liberal. Can’t do anything without an identity box to put someone in.”
“I have called you Tankie. Checkmate. I don’t have to think about anything you said.”
That’s what you sound like.
You:
Also you:
Oh, but it’s about my shortcoming because I can’t read context?
Yeah, I’m sure the problem is because I don’t think about anything you said…
I’m not even a liberal, by the way. Believe it or not, socialists can hate tankies too.
So, you are capable of understanding context right? Like, you can quote something out of context and it have significantly different meaning. Which is what you’re doing.
Do you understand that sentences don’t stand on their own at all times? Or do you think that that sentence you quoted is the equivalent of saying Bernie and Trump are the same?
As “a socialist” you should know that anyone that is in favor of maintaining a capitalist class structure (as Bernie is) would be “considered a right winger”.
Or do you just label yourself as “socialist” while not understanding it? Nothing I’ve said has been “Tankie” if you mean that by “authoritarian left” or whatever. That word has lost all meaning to the point people like you use it to insult anyone “to the left” of you when you have nothing else to say.
Bernie is in favor of maintaining a “nicer” capitalist state and is hence “on the right” from a socialist (like yourself).
It’s not that complicated to understand. But I don’t think you even understand your own political label if you couldn’t understand why I would “consider Bernie a right winger”.
You can’t just contradict yourself and then claim I’m not understanding the context.
Just because someone is to the right of you doesn’t mean they’re a right-winger. You’re doing exactly the thing you’re accusing me of doing.
I know that not everyone to the left of me is a tankie. Unlike you, I’m capable of recognizing that leftism is an entire spectrum.
A tankie is an auth-comm, sure, and maybe you didn’t say anything that was explicitly auth-comm. But you’re insinuating that Bernie Sanders, a leftist, is a right-winger just because he’s not as far left as you are. That’s something that really only a tankie would do.
Fuck, sometimes lemmy is as bad as reddit…
Yes. On paper. Do you have any meaningful difference to define him any differently than someone like AoC or Illhan Omar? Besides just the label he has on his name on CSPAN?
Not sure why what you said has anything to do with what I said.
Believe it or not, political parties are not ordinarily supposed to refuse all negotiations with any other party, vote no on any measures they introduce, and call them all demons to their supporters. The independent/Democrat relation is just a rare American instance of that.