• MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca
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    3 days ago

    Homeslice, nothing in there says anything about millions of votes, let alone ten million.

    The closest you get would be

    "the DNC shared with us that their own data also found that policy was, in their words, a ‘net-negative’ in the 2024 election.

    There were many net negative issues, like say, inflation and immigration which rated higher in most polling about voter issues etc.

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      2 days ago

      i regret looking into the exact number because HOLY FUCK it’s so much worse that i thought!

      i was going off of projections from the yougov/imeu poll suggesting roughly 10 million

      since then, the democratic think tank named the catalist report did their own investigation and found that it was around 11 million for gaza and 30 million all together.

      you have to be part of a democrat party aligned political annalist group to get the report; but american periodicals named the nation and rolling stone did a tldr of these report and there’s a deeper dive within the cook political report.

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        13 hours ago

        Buddy, unless I’m missing something it looks like you’re must be misreading these, linking to the wrong articles, hoping no one reads them or just making the wild assumption that everyone who didn’t vote Harris did so because of Gaza.

        The Cook political report deep dive literally doesn’t mention Gaza or Israel.

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          13 hours ago

          try reading the articles:

          … Young voters, on the other hand, took issue with Harris’ perceived silence on Gaza, with a majority of voters in that focus group saying her unwillingness to take a stand affected their decision not to vote. …

          – Rolling Stone

          and i shared the cook political report to show that the disaffection is bigger than most realize it was; not just gaza alone.

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            13 hours ago

            Hombre, remember this was your original position:

            axois’ reporting on the dnc’s attempt to suppress the last election’s post mortem investigation and the yougov polls of pro-biden/anti-harris voters have shown us that harris lost 10 million votes because of gaza.

            If you actually look through the Cook political report, the big issue was men of colour moving to the Right. And if you read the sentences right above the young voters bit in the Rolling Stone article, you’ll notice their concerns are not about the perceived silence on Gaza but instead the perception “that Dems cared more about immigrants, trans people and waging war in Ukraine and Gaza than domestic priorities or their daily economic realities.” You could sort of maybe disingenuously twist that into Gaza but really, that’s clearly about the money being spent for military support instead of economic issues at home.

            Again, all of this is far cry from your claim that Gaza cost ten million votes.

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              12 hours ago

              the 29% figure isn’t hidden in anyway—it’s right there on the webpage in plain text. you literally have to scroll past it to miss it:

              “29% - Ending Israel’s violence in Gaza”

              so either you didn’t read the link you’re trying to argue about, or you’re counting on everyone else not to read it either. which is it? because pretending a number doesn’t exist when it’s displayed directly on the sources you’ve asked for is either willful ignorance or straight-up misleading people

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                11 hours ago

                Which of your sources has this 29% figure? I read and double checked the rolling stone one albeit on archive.ie so maybe a graphic’s not coming through?

                Or you meant to send a different source?

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                    10 hours ago

                    Lol, okay, now read the other parts there:

                    29% - Ending Israel’s violence in Gaza 24% - The economy 12% - Medicare and Social Security 11% - Immigration and border security 10% - Healthcare 9% - Abortion policy 5% - Don’t know

                    In other words, the overwhelming majority of the voters who changed their vote from Biden to someone else were not voting because of Gaza.

                    An astute reader might note that this lines up pretty closely with what I said way back at the beginning…

                    Harris lost running on massive inflation, in the same wave that saw almost every incumbent government thrown out by historic margins and still came within only a couple of points of trump.

                    I’ll also just leave this here for you.

                    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/09/09/issues-and-the-2024-election/