• MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca
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    4 days ago

    ??? Clinton, one of the most unpopular candidates in history, came within a couple hundred thousand votes.

    Harris lost running on massive inflation, in the same wave that saw almost every incumbent government thrown out by historic margins and still came within only a couple of points of trump.

    I’d also argue Harris was a bit doomed because of how hard we took the bait last time and screamed HITLER at every provocation. The independents and centrists who watched that and endured a bad but relatively normal presidency learned the lesson that the Left exaggerates and that their warnings are without merit. If we’d “kept our powder dry” maybe we could’ve convinced them the 6th was as bad as it was but, like my younger sister, we just screamed, took the bait and lost despite being right.

    Call it the party who cried HITLER.

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      4 days ago

      axois’ reporting on the dnc’s attempt to suppress the last election’s post mortem investigation and the yougov polls of pro-biden/anti-harris voters have shown us that harris lost 10 million votes because of gaza.

      these people were disaffected by the system in the same way that it disaffected clinton’s voters despite registered democrats outnumbering registered republicans.

      so many are disaffected now that there aren’t enough 3rd party voters to make up for the difference.

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        harris lost 10 million votes because of gaza.

        Yet Trump was much worse for Gaza than any of the democrats would have been.

        And that wasn’t a surprise before the election. Trump was Bibi’s buddy the last time he was in power but people conveniently ignored that.

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        4 days ago

        the yougov polls of pro-biden/anti-harris voters have shown us that harris lost 10 million votes because of gaza.

        Imagine biting propaganda so hard that in the name of Palestiniansyou actively made things even worse for them and hundreds of thousands if not millions across the world.

        I’d love to see the source on this though because 10 million is a wild number. Harris had 6 million fewer votes than Biden, so somehow losing ten million votes on something that wasn’t the top election issue seems like an… Interesting claim.

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            3 days ago

            Homeslice, nothing in there says anything about millions of votes, let alone ten million.

            The closest you get would be

            "the DNC shared with us that their own data also found that policy was, in their words, a ‘net-negative’ in the 2024 election.

            There were many net negative issues, like say, inflation and immigration which rated higher in most polling about voter issues etc.

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              i regret looking into the exact number because HOLY FUCK it’s so much worse that i thought!

              i was going off of projections from the yougov/imeu poll suggesting roughly 10 million

              since then, the democratic think tank named the catalist report did their own investigation and found that it was around 11 million for gaza and 30 million all together.

              you have to be part of a democrat party aligned political annalist group to get the report; but american periodicals named the nation and rolling stone did a tldr of these report and there’s a deeper dive within the cook political report.

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                13 hours ago

                Buddy, unless I’m missing something it looks like you’re must be misreading these, linking to the wrong articles, hoping no one reads them or just making the wild assumption that everyone who didn’t vote Harris did so because of Gaza.

                The Cook political report deep dive literally doesn’t mention Gaza or Israel.

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                  13 hours ago

                  try reading the articles:

                  … Young voters, on the other hand, took issue with Harris’ perceived silence on Gaza, with a majority of voters in that focus group saying her unwillingness to take a stand affected their decision not to vote. …

                  – Rolling Stone

                  and i shared the cook political report to show that the disaffection is bigger than most realize it was; not just gaza alone.

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                    13 hours ago

                    Hombre, remember this was your original position:

                    axois’ reporting on the dnc’s attempt to suppress the last election’s post mortem investigation and the yougov polls of pro-biden/anti-harris voters have shown us that harris lost 10 million votes because of gaza.

                    If you actually look through the Cook political report, the big issue was men of colour moving to the Right. And if you read the sentences right above the young voters bit in the Rolling Stone article, you’ll notice their concerns are not about the perceived silence on Gaza but instead the perception “that Dems cared more about immigrants, trans people and waging war in Ukraine and Gaza than domestic priorities or their daily economic realities.” You could sort of maybe disingenuously twist that into Gaza but really, that’s clearly about the money being spent for military support instead of economic issues at home.

                    Again, all of this is far cry from your claim that Gaza cost ten million votes.